"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?
There were just as many protestors about us entering WW2 as there are now with the war we are in. They didn't feel we had any business trying to stop Adolph Hitler.
All that is necessary for evil to win, is for good men to stand by and do nothing.
Look at that nutcase in North Korea. He has nukes, and will use them. He should have been stopped WAY before he was allowed to get nuclear weapons. But everyone was afraid to take action. Now, we have a nut job that may just push the button.
You can't reason with mad men. Just look at AlQueda. They want us dead.......every one of us. You, your loved ones, ALL of us. You can't reason with them, as they don't CARE if they die. As long as they can take out some of us, they are fine with dying.
Now......back to the thread........I NEVER take my freedom for granted. It may be "free" to us, but it cost many people a GREAT amount for us to have it. Some one had to pay the bill for us to have our freedom. Even the freedom to blast our leaders for entering a war that they might feel was unnecessary. Try that in most countrys, say Iraq for example, and you would be put to death for voicing your opinion.
I always thank veterans, every chance i get.
Wischeez......THANK YOU for what you went through for our freedom! Vietnam Vets never got the appreciation they earned and DESERVED!!!

It's that time again. I think this stands true ...

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

Darfur, Rwanda, Tibet, Brazil, West Guinea...I could go on. Why are we allowed to turn our backs on these genocides but it's NOT ok to turn our backs on Iraq...

"djcubez"

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

Darfur, Rwanda, Tibet, Brazil, West Guinea...I could go on. Why are we allowed to turn our backs on these genocides but it's NOT ok to turn our backs on Iraq...

I agree. Saddam had been doing that stuff for ages. No one tried to stop him before to save the people in Iraq, why go now?

Same goes for WWII. The US didn't get in at first, they stayed neutral. Not untill they got attacked by the Japanese and had been declared war by Germany because of Hitler's over-excitemend, did the US enter the war. All they did was supply the UK with some materials before that. The US and the Netherlands did the same thing. They wheren't in the war to save the entire world, they where in it because they got attacked while maintaining neutrality.

But I don't want to turn this into an entire discussion. I don't know how appropriate that is on Independence Day. It's a big thing over there, I asume.

"djcubez"

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

Darfur, Rwanda, Tibet, Brazil, West Guinea...I could go on. Why are we allowed to turn our backs on these genocides but it's NOT ok to turn our backs on Iraq...

Tactically, they don't/didn't make as much sense?
Who really knows?
Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

As far as Independence Day..
I hope you all have a great weekend celebrating our 233rd birthday as a country.
And in my humble (but accurate) opinion, the best country on this ball of mud.
=P

"Rockmolder"

"djcubez"

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

Darfur, Rwanda, Tibet, Brazil, West Guinea...I could go on. Why are we allowed to turn our backs on these genocides but it's NOT ok to turn our backs on Iraq...

I agree. Saddam had been doing that stuff for ages. No one tried to stop him before to save the people in Iraq, why go now?

Same goes for WWII. The US didn't get in at first, they stayed neutral. Not untill they got attacked by the Japanese and had been declared war by Germany because of Hitler's over-excitemend, did the US enter the war. All they did was supply the UK with some materials before that. The US and the Netherlands did the same thing. They wheren't in the war to save the entire world, they where in it because they got attacked while maintaining neutrality.

Kind of my point. I can understand Afghanistan I mean hell, we did get attacked on our homeland but going into Iraq was a bad call. Sure, they've been a foreign policy nightmare for us but we definitely just made it worse. We should have waited for more support from NATO and other countries at the very least. But shit, even I don't know why we went there.

Also I'm not trying to pick an argument or anything, I just think that with this post everything is contextually related. I mean go back to when we did sign the declaration of independence. "The Declaration asserts that "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal."" Yet how long has it taken for other races to be "equal?" We still had slaves when that was written for gods sake.

I never said America was perfect. Alot of time we don't get involved in other country's problems because of the political wimps. We turn our backs and pretend it's not happening. If you read my post from last year in this thread about the nut case in North Korea.......do you see now that my fears are coming true?
And wait for NATO to get involved? We have seen in the not so distant past where practically no one has the balls to help US when we need it. Yet let one of those countries get attacked and see who they run to FIRST begging for our help.
Saddam had weapons. For those that think he didn't, i think you have your heads in the sand. I have listed where he kept the "great UN" inspectors out of places that he didn't want searched, then all of the sudden he said it was NOW ok. If you believe he had nothing to hide you are only fooling yourself. I WISH the UN would have had the BALLS to just go and do THEIR JOB without wimping out constantly to Saddam. Then maybe the truth would have come out. But if you wanted another North Korea on your hands, thats your choice i guess.
Me, I would rather be an American then anything else.
Happy 4th to all in the U.S.!

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

They captured Hussein 6 years ago. Why are we still there? What is the exit strategy?

I DO appreciate the efforts by our military servicemen and women.

"IronMan"

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

They captured Hussein 6 years ago. Why are we still there? What is the exit strategy?

I DO appreciate the efforts by our military servicemen and women.

I don't know....................EDIT: whats the use....

"IronMan"

"Cheesey"

"cm_awesome"3,500 deaths in this war compared to deaths of other wars or circumstances may seem small, but this war was unnecessary and
wrong, and 1 death for an unjust war is too many.

Tell that to the people of Iraq that were being raped, tortured, and slaughtered by Hussein.
When you see people being slaughtered by a mad man, and your response is to turn your back and act like it isn't happening, is that the right response?

They captured Hussein 6 years ago. Why are we still there?

Probably because Hussein wasn't the only iron-fist ruler that ran that country.
My guess.

"IronMan"What is the exit strategy?

Who knows..
Just ask our great Dicta-..
Er.
I mean President.
=)

I hope you all had a great Independence Day.
Never forget why we celebrate this great holiday!