uffda udfa;318881No.
I ask a simple question and the only response is...Ted is so awesome.
Jordy's contract is not that of a #1 WR because he is not a #1 WR.
It's as simple as that.
You guys would always say you trust the judgement of Ted Thompson more than any idiot on a Packers forum.
Well, here's your chance to not be a hypocrite.
If you truly trust TT's judgement, and not your own, you have to go against with all your sentimentality and realize the fact is Jordy didn't get paid like a #1 WR because he isn't.
Spin until you're dizzy and throw up but there is a reason Jordy and Randall are paid about the same and Greg Jennings was offered more prior to both their deals.
Ted is so awesome doesn't really apply once you realize Greg Jennings was offered more money than Jordy or RC18.
I'm sure you don't think Greg Jennings is so awesome anymore.
Why is it that he is no longer awesome in your eyes?
Think.
It's really not that hard.

Salary as the measure of evaluating talent instead of the production on the field?? Goodness! Michael Vick must be the greatest NFL player ever as the only two time $100 million contract signer and Andre Haynesworth inked himself a $100 million contract as well so he should be expecting a call from Canton any time now.
You have to see how vacuous (thanks!) that thinking is.

It's obvious the opening post completely obliterated your "Jordy isn't a WR1" perception and you proved it the second you barked about salary.
Even Al Davis thinks that is stupid crapola!

Zero2Cool;318887Salary as the measure of evaluating talent instead of the production on the field?? Goodness! Michael Vick must be the greatest NFL player ever as the only two time $100 million contract signer and Andre Haynesworth inked himself a $100 million contract as well so he should be expecting a call from Canton any time now.
You have to see how vacuous (thanks!) that thinking is.

It's obvious the opening post completely obliterated your "Jordy isn't a WR1" perception and you proved it the second you barked about salary.
Even Al Davis thinks that is stupid crapola!

I spoke to his salary before you even posted this.
quake and I were having some fun back and forth about his salary well before this post,
I didn't try to counter your argument, you tried to counter mine by starting a new thread to lay out your case.
The questions I have asked are still unanswered and can't be if you want to hold to your viewpoint that I think is incorrect.

PackerTraxx;318855Anybody that doesn't realize Jordy is a number one receiver is a football idiot.

How about we call them Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier3 receivers for all the green and gold goggle wearing idiots out there.

A wide receiver in Green Bay over the last 20 years has inflated stats which indicate he is better than he actually is.

Tier 1 one receivers would include Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Dez Bryant.

Tier 2 would be guys like Jordy, Antonio Brown, and Julio Jones.


I don't know how to idiot proof this any better than this.

Try and trade Jordy Nelson for one of those Tier one guys and watch yourself get laughed at.

PackerTraxx;318855Anybody that doesn't realize Jordy is a number one receiver is a football idiot.

Try trading Jordy Nelson for Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Larry Fitzgerald - and get your ass laughed at.
Then maybe you'll understand what us "idiots" know that you don't.

Green Bay receivers have inflated stats because of the offense run, and excellence at quarterback.
None of them are as good as you think they are.
And that is why every time one of them leaves our team, there is a major drop off.

DakotaT;318911Try trading Jordy Nelson for Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Larry Fitzgerald - and get your ass laughed at.
Then maybe you'll understand what us "idiots" know that you don't.

Green Bay receivers have inflated stats because of the offense run, and excellence at quarterback.
None of them are as good as you think they are.
And that is why every time one of them leaves our team, there is a major drop off.

Outside of Larry Fitzgerald who has been productive with scrubs, nearly every player one could point to as an elite WR benifits from quality QB play.

While I won't dismiss the fact that GB runs a very good system and has the best QB in the NFL, this doesn't tell the whole story. Greg Jennings left GB to play with Christian Ponder/Matt Cassel/whoever else they had, and his play significantly dropped off. Give Jennings even an average QB and he might have looked a lot better. The difference between Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo or Matt Stafford is much, much smaller than the difference between Rodgers and Christian Ponder. This is after two injury riddled down years in GB, for all we know Jennings would have dropped off in GB as well.

James Jones went to Oakland, and aside from a significantly lower average than he typically has, his performance wasn't much worse than when in GB.

Anyway, this theory has already been debunked with regard to Jordy when he played half of 2013 with Matt Flynn and Scott Tolzien and still produced at a high level. If Jordy was simply a product of Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball, there would have been a big dropoff there.

earthquake;318915Outside of Larry Fitzgerald who has been productive with scrubs, nearly every player one could point to as an elite WR benifits from quality QB play.

While I won't dismiss the fact that GB runs a very good system and has the best QB in the NFL, this doesn't tell the whole story. Greg Jennings left GB to play with Christian Ponder/Matt Cassel/whoever else they had, and his play significantly dropped off. Give Jennings even an average QB and he might have looked a lot better. The difference between Aaron Rodgers and Tony Romo or Matt Stafford is much, much smaller than the difference between Rodgers and Christian Ponder. This is after two injury riddled down years in GB, for all we know Jennings would have dropped off in GB as well.

James Jones went to Oakland, and aside from a significantly lower average than he typically has, his performance wasn't much worse than when in GB.

Anyway, this theory has already been debunked with regard to Jordy when he played half of 2013 with Matt Flynn and Scott Tolzien and still produced at a high level. If Jordy was simply a product of Aaron Rodgers throwing him the ball, there would have been a big dropoff there.

Cobb had a broken leg...and Jarrett Boykin (where is he now?...that guy that MM said he wasn't higher on than anyone else in this building) had nearly 700 yards that same year on 49 receptions.

DakotaT;318910How about we call them Tier 1, Tier 2, Tier3 receivers for all the green and gold goggle wearing idiots out there.

A wide receiver in Green Bay over the last 20 years has inflated stats which indicate he is better than he actually is.

Tier 1 one receivers would include Calvin Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald, and Dez Bryant.

Tier 2 would be guys like Jordy, Antonio Brown, and Julio Jones.


I don't know how to idiot proof this any better than this.

Try and trade Jordy Nelson for one of those Tier one guys and watch yourself get laughed at.

Why would we call them that when this thread is about Jordy being a #1 WR?

Fine I'll roll with it but I'm confused because Antonio Brown and Julio jones are both #1 WR and you just put Jordy in the same tier as them.

And are we talking about Larry Fitzgerald in his prime or right now?

cheeseheads123;318923Why would we call them that when this thread is about Jordy being a #1 WR?

Fine I'll roll with it but I'm confused because Antonio Brown and Julio jones are both #1 WR and you just put Jordy in the same tier as them.

And are we talking about Larry Fitzgerald in his prime or right now?

I think Julio Jones is a clear #1.
Antonio Brown is a guy I would lump with Jordy and question whether he's a true #1.
Not much of a bigger fan of Antonio's than me...watched him one night in college and thought he had a chance to be a very good pro.
Much like Jordy, a big time beneficiary of QB play. Mike Wallace has done squat since leaving Roethlisberger and Tannehill is hyped as being one of the next great QB's in this league where Wallace failed.

Wish we had Antonio and Jordy...two terrific players and professionals.

DakotaT;318911Try trading Jordy Nelson for Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant, or Larry Fitzgerald - and get your ass laughed at.
Then maybe you'll understand what us "idiots" know that you don't.

Green Bay receivers have inflated stats because of the offense run, and excellence at quarterback.
None of them are as good as you think they are.
And that is why every time one of them leaves our team, there is a major drop off.

So there are only 3 number one WR in the league. Johnson is the only one everbody would take. Many would not want Bryant's luggage and Fitz is getting to the end. Try again.

PackerTraxx;318935So there are only 3 number one WR in the league. Johnson is the only one everbody would take. Many would not want Bryant's luggage and Fitz is getting to the end. Try again.

Huh?
Try again?
Why?
At no point will he conclude Jordy is a 1 and there is no point that you won't.

You have to wonder if part of the reason RC18 didn't stick around is because he knew if he went elsewhere he may have become Greg Jennings...same with Jordy.
This argument that Jordy put up numbers with our backups is funny considering Cobb was gone due a broken leg.
All of a sudden Jarrett Boykin has to play and people are comparing him to Alshon Jeffery with backup QB's.
Boykin's numbers if averaged out properly with number of starts (16 to 16)
are right there with Jordy's for that season, but Jordy is a #1 WR and Boykin is...a guy who couldn't make our roster.
Think.
For the love of....think.