Zero2Cool;460646Really frustrating game. Frustrating because I think this is one the Packers should have had based on what we saw on the field. The backwards pass that Packers recovered really loomed large. So did that blocked extra point.

Packers were less attacked by the refs than in the last couple weeks. Also, guys are starting to run the correct routes, and with consistency. Things might be looking better.

nerdmann;460648Packers were less attacked by the refs than in the last couple weeks. Also, guys are starting to run the correct routes, and with consistency. Things might be looking better.

Yea I just wish we won this one because we would at least have a chance for a playoff run.

Let's not forget to mention how awful the run defense was.

umair_010;460650Let's not forget to mention how awful the run defense was.

Run defense either stopped them quick or got hosed fir huge gain. Quite maddening. Not sure why Steelers even passed it.

Zero2Cool;460652Run defense either stopped them quick or got hosed fir huge gain. Quite maddening. Not sure why Steelers even passed it.

As the announcer stated, Packers have been heavily slanting one direction, to get more pressure on the backfield.

Basically it becomes a chess match of which direction, if the offense guesses right, huge gain, if they guess wrong, nothing.

Packers are still trying to get more and more like the Rams old defense, but they still don't have the DTs inside for it, and there aren't many Aaron Donald's in NFL history.

Though the Vic Fangio defenses has has done well a lot of other places, but still, it helps the DBs and hurts the DL and you need a dominant DL for it (or have the opponents chasing) and the Packers just don't right now.


I assume the Steelers pass the ball because the Packers lined up super heavy against the run.

beast;460647After the end of the game, someone was hitting Tom while he was on the ground, on the sideline, after making the tackle.

IMO, that someone needs to be suspended.

Tom was just tackling the returners, whom didn't have to return the ball...

I saw that. I think Tom may have hit him a little late but that still doesn’t warrant what the retaliation was.

I’m pretty sure I heard the ref at the end of the game call a personal foul on #74 which would be Jenkins. Not sure if they had the number wrong or if Jenkins actually did something.

go.pack.go.;460654I saw that. I think Tom may have hit him a little late but that still doesn’t warrant what the retaliation was.

I’m pretty sure I heard the ref at the end of the game call a personal foul on #74 which would be Jenkins. Not sure if they had the number wrong or if Jenkins actually did something.

I saw a reply and it looked better than I originally thought...

Tom pushed the Steelers INT return guy out maybe a step late, and he got thrown into a Steelers coach. And looked like the main part was 100% Tom and that Steelers player.

Tom then slipped and went down, and the Steelers player got up and was shoving Tom back down as he tried to get up...

Other Steelers players did the right thing, didn't get involved with Tom, did get involved with their own guy.

Other Packers came over to get Tom, whom looked awkward getting up, and lost his balance, and I was wondering if he maybe had a concussion or just simply lost his balance, then a Packers player helped keep him up and he seemed alright after being held a bit.


Jenkins came over, SEMI late, seemingly ready to throw down if needed, but found peace and calm and he relaxed.

Then of all people, the helmet-less Kicker grabbed Jenkins from behind horsecollar (seemingly for no reason) and dragged him away from the Steelers.

Jenkins not knowing who or why it was done (again, everyone was calm by that point) was agitated and other Steelers came over to help the kicker (kicker shouldn't be the one starting stuff).

The replay didn't stay in Jenkins and the Steelers long enough, to see the entire picture of what happened, but what it did show was minor shoving, but you know the second guy always gets called rule.



The 5 things I saw was
1) Tom pushed the man out of bounce a bit late, probably going to get a fine.

2) Innocent Coach took the worst of anything getting nailed by the Steelers INT return man.

3) Steelers INT return man, getting up and shoving Tom down as he's trying to get up off the ground. Should be fined for going attack someone already on the ground.

4) Kicker needlessly pulling Jenkins. I doubt he'll get fined.

5) Jenkins talking and shoving.... I could see them going either way on that, maybe see the ref called it, and camera picked it up, he'll be fined, though I think the Kicker saw Jenkins coming over, got out of the way and let him by. And only took issue after things were already calm and Jenkins back was turned and then he restarted things.

I saw the video again, and this one shows a lot more after the kicker pulled Jenkins off than the other one.



Looking over it again, I expect fines because NFL is very much into PR, and you got an old man getting nailed and pushing on the ground, but if the old man is alright, I'm not sure there should be any fines.

Tom touched the returner, but I can't tell if there was much force there or if the returner just slipped trying to avoid Tom, the coach and slow down. I think the returner has a right to be upset, but not shoving a guy that's already on the ground.

Great credit to majority of the Steelers bench for not getting involved in that, and the guy in all black for taking the Defender off Tom very quickly.

As for the Kicker/Jenkins, I think this video is much more telling, the Kicker avoided Jenkins on his way over, but then saw the ST coach being picked up off the ground and Jenkins right next to him, that's when the Kicker suddenly got his moxy, for his ST coach, the kicker actions now make sense.

But other than jaw jacking it looks like Jenkins and the Kicker stopped it there... while other small players rushed over to protect their guys and started pushing.

Looks like maybe Aaron Jones for the Packers and you can't see the Steelers numbers, but look similar sized.

But looks like Jenkins MIGHT be totally innocent.other than talking. Jones was trying to protect Jenkins, and other Steelers were trying to back up their kicker whom was trying to get room for the ST coach.

So to me it all makes sense and only some pushing, at the end. I'd just be looking at the start, Tom's push and the defender getting on top of him.

I just wanted to post that no matter what the refs say, that was clearly a lateral...



Also late in the game, I believe on 3rd and 2 around the 5 minutes left in the game mark, right before the Steelers kicked a FG, Steelers rolled right, Packers had it covered, Campbell was coming in for the sack, QB was looking, nothing was open, Campbell touched the QB, and with the QB clearly looking straight down baby tosses it forward, it does not make it back to the line of scrimmage.

If he got the ball past the line of scrimmage, then that's not intentional grounding, but he didn't... it was a baby toss that looked like it only made it 60% of the way back to the line to gain, which was maybe 5 to 7byards away...

So by rule, it all comes down to this part of the rule, if that's intentional grounding or not

"passing motion is significantly affected by physical contact from a defensive player that causes the ball to land short of the line of scrimmage."

So the ref can rightfully claim it's not intentional grounding due to Campbell being on top of him.

That being said....if you just watch it, that's 1,000% intentional grounding, the QB is looking down, and preparing to be hit, and trying to safely land, not trying to get the ball to anyone. That's giving up on the play and trying not to get hurt, when he could of just slid down but didn't.

Now, they probably make the FG anyways, but this isn't a Packers vs Steelers thing for me, it's an offense vs defense thing... the game is set up to favor
the offense, the rules are already set up to favor the offense, the refs actions favor the offense, defensive players are too often screwed....

At minimum, Campbell deserves a sack or forced fumble stat on the play...

We fans should not know the rules better than the Refs... and we don't, but why aren't the refs enforcing the rules?

They have made it so much easier for the QB to throw the ball away, all he has to do is be outside the pocket and past the line of scrimmage... they made it simpler for the QBs, and they don't even have to do that, they just get a free pass...

beast;460662I just wanted to post that no matter what the refs say, that was clearly a lateral...

Also late in the game, I believe on 3rd and 2 around the 5 minutes left in the game mark, right before the Steelers kicked a FG, Steelers rolled right, Packers had it covered, Campbell was coming in for the sack, QB was looking, nothing was open, Campbell touched the QB, and with the QB clearly looking straight down baby tosses it forward, it does not make it back to the line of scrimmage.

If he got the ball past the line of scrimmage, then that's not intentional grounding, but he didn't... it was a baby toss that looked like it only made it 60% of the way back to the line to gain, which was maybe 5 to 7byards away...

So by rule, it all comes down to this part of the rule, if that's intentional grounding or not

So the ref can rightfully claim it's not intentional grounding due to Campbell being on top of him.

That being said....if you just watch it, that's 1,000% intentional grounding, the QB is looking down, and preparing to be hit, and trying to safely land, not trying to get the ball to anyone. That's giving up on the play and trying not to get hurt, when he could of just slid down but didn't.

Now, they probably make the FG anyways, but this isn't a Packers vs Steelers thing for me, it's an offense vs defense thing... the game is set up to favor
the offense, the rules are already set up to favor the offense, the refs actions favor the offense, defensive players are too often screwed....

At minimum, Campbell deserves a sack or forced fumble stat on the play...

We fans should not know the rules better than the Refs... and we don't, but why aren't the refs enforcing the rules?

They have made it so much easier for the QB to throw the ball away, all he has to do is be outside the pocket and past the line of scrimmage... they made it simpler for the QBs, and they don't even have to do that, they just get a free pass...

Yes I was very surprised that Steratore agreed with the call. He’s usually spot on, but in this case he could not be more wrong. Very frustrating.