beast;468435I completely disagree, LT Walker is clearly better than C Myers, and you complain about Walkers lack of run blocking all the time, and Myers is even worse.

Wait, I complain about Rasheed Walker's run blocking all the time? I do?

beast;468435I completely disagree, LT Walker is clearly better than C Myers, and you complain about Walkers lack of run blocking all the time, and Myers is even worse.

Actually, I complain more about his pass blocking, but I don't think he gets much push in the run game either...and we simply disagree, I'll take Myers.

And Walker is better in pass protection than Myers.

Meh, my eyes tell me otherwise

Tom is IMO one of the top 3 RTs in the NFL last year.

He isn't even the best in our division, so its unlikely he is top 3.
He's fine, but needs to get better.

Zero2Cool;468436Wait, I complain about Rasheed Walker's run blocking all the time? I do?

No, that comment was a reply to Martha Careful

Martha Careful;468438Actually, I complain more about his pass blocking, but I don't think he gets much push in the run game either...and we simply disagree, I'll take Myers.

Why are you complaining about his pass blocking? That's clearly his strength and he's pretty good in that area. He's horrible in the run game. Myers is horrible in both, but especially the run game.

Martha Careful;468438He isn't even the best in our division, so its unlikely he is top 3.
He's fine, but needs to get better.

You don't need to be the top in your division to be one of the top in the NFL, and if you look around, the NFC North is shockingly stalked at RT.

According to PFF, the NFC North has 4 of the top 5 RTs in overall in offense grade. And Tom is pretty much top 3 in all categories.

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beast;468440No, that comment was a reply to Martha Careful

Oh, duh. I was trying to think what the heck I'm seeing. 😜😜

I am not sure whether to put this here, or in the Gutey thread, but from listening
to the Gutey press conference:

- Myers will likely be back.
The ding in the last game may help in negotiations.
It sounded to me like he was playing through things we don't know about.
Fine by me.
Alas, an unhappy Beast.

- OL additionally they are REALLY counting on Morgan, which is sort of risky IMO, I think a veteran FA would be appropriate here.

- Jaire is gone as is Stokes and Corner is a likely area for Free Agency signing

- Receiving answer was hard for me to read, but if we could get a relatively young guy, I think they would pull
the trigger on one as Watson will be back (no earlier than) week 12.
And Doubs really needs to retire.

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He alluded to the coaching change and thinks he has the guys (perhaps a little Jerry Jones mentality, 'since I drafted these guys, I know its not the players')

Martha Careful;468443I am not sure whether to put this here, or in the Gutey thread, but from listening
to the Gutey press conference:

You could always post it in both, as it does fit into both categories.

Martha Careful;468443- Myers will likely be back.
The ding in the last game may help in negotiations.
It sounded to me like he was playing through things we don't know about.
Fine by me.
Alas, an unhappy Beast.

I doubt the ding will change negotiations if they believe he's fully recovered already, which it sounded like it wasn't anything to be concerned with after the next day.

Also my biggest issue with Myers is that we picked him before the much more hyped C Creed Humphrey whom has been an All Pro since Day 1 as a rookie.

I don't really have an issue with Myers, other than he just hasn't been that good. Of the 40 players that have at least 300 snaps at Center, PFF grades Myers out as #38 of 40. Where he is 39th out of 40 in run blocking but at least 24th of 40 in pass blocking.

Based on how contracts work, with players being over paid with the assumption that people will then later pass them when their new contracts come up.

If you want to make Myers a top 10 paid Center at around $7 million per year because you trust him mentally, then sure, okay. But if you want to make him a top 5 paid Center at $10 to $12 million, then that seems like too much and I'd be looking at other options.

One thing in favor of Myers right now, is that there aren't many other good options right now in FA nor the draft.

Though the Draft does have some nice options at Center, but it's bottom heavy, there aren't great options at the top, so they'd most likely start as backups.

Martha Careful;468443
- OL additionally they are REALLY counting on Morgan, which is sort of risky IMO, I think a veteran FA would be appropriate here.

They signed OT Dillard, and he seemed like a waste of space. My guess is they try to draft more options, Gute seems to like to have lots of OL, trying to develop them.

But I think they need to restock and get guys with more potential, especially at OT for depth. Jonah Monheim is one guys I've had my eye on, as he's started at LT, C and RT.

One item that surprised me: I can't remember if it was Gute or LaFleur, but they talked about potential OL position movement (Okay)... BUT then started talking praising Tom (okay, so are you thinking moving him to Center?) Then started talking about how he's really secured himself as an OT...

So either the back to back to back OL comments aren't related or they're considering moving Tom to LT.

If that's the case, I would assume means they know they're going to re-sign Tom, but aren't as sure if they're going to re-sign Walker.

Also back when they switched Lang and Sitton, they talked about liking to make sure they can run to the left, and making the defense slide to the left, as it opens up the QB rolling out to the right. And having Tom and Jenkins next to each other, in theory, should really open up the run game to the left.

Martha Careful;468443
- Jaire is gone as is Stokes and Corner is a likely area for Free Agency signing

Yeah, Jaire was pretty upset with the media when they were clearing out the lockers. Even saying something like he wasn't sure he'd be back.

My guess is they ask Jaire to take a pay cut since I think he's played less than 55% of the games over the last 4 years.

But yes, the coaches that we finished the year with have corrections to the Raiders, Chargers and Jets and those teams have a number of CBs that are FAs. Also I've wondered what are the possibilities of re-signed CB Douglas, as Haley's scheme might fit Douglas very well. Of course, Douglas might want a no trade clause added to it.

Martha Careful;468443
- Receiving answer was hard for me to read, but if we could get a relatively young guy, I think they would pull
the trigger on one as Watson will be back (no earlier than) week 12.
And Doubs really needs to retire.

I have no idea about WR, but I found WR Adams comments interesting, of course, Adams admits he likes to troll, so always got to take what he says with a grain of salt, but Adams talked about hearing the Packers want to add a veteran WR.

And the Jets are expected to released Adams... and I believe Adams brought up the Bengals WR being a FA, but I have a hard time seeing the Packers throw the amount of money at him, that would get the Bengals WR to sign, as he's considered the #1 WR on the FA market.

Martha Careful;468443
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He alluded to the coaching change and thinks he has the guys (perhaps a little Jerry Jones mentality, 'since I drafted these guys, I know its not the players'

Yeah, I would counter that with how rare it is for the Packers 1st linemen picked in the draft to be the best linemen available career wise under Gute.

And even on our own rosters, Rhyan was picked before Tom and Walker. Brooks was picked before Wooden. Not the same draft year, but Enagbare before Van Ness. And they've had the same coaches, so a difference in coaches quality wasn't a factor.

I think it's simply that Gute often goes for the guys with the most physical potential... and expects Coaches to be able to develop that physical potential... but the best physical potential doesn't nessarily mean the best football player.

Which is one thing I'll always love about Ted Thompson, and surely he had faults too, but late into the draft, Thompson would often find true football players, where even if they only were on the Packers for a year, a decade later, you would still see that their on some teams bubble with a. 50-50 shot to make their roster even a decade after they were drafted.

Guys like Marshall Newhouse, whom only played four year for the Packers but lasted more than a decade in the NFL.

Clark Harris less than a year with the Packers, but more than a decade in the NFL.

Lawrence Guy, less than two years with the Packers, but more than a decade in the NFL.

Thompson was great at finding football guys, where Gute is best at finding potential and hoping the coaches can develop that potential into football guys.

Though Thompson did need to do a better job of finding speed.


Also, I will say, Van Ness really should of improved in the 4-3, but he instead regressed, I'm not sure whom is to blame for that, but clearly the DE coach is getting blamed and I was surprised we kept him over Jerry Montgomery anyways.

Beast had a lot of great content in his post, so I decided to shorten before answering

beast;4684471.
You could always post it in both, as it does fit into both categories.
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Also my biggest issue with Myers is that we picked him before the much more hyped C Creed Humphrey whom has been an All Pro since Day 1 as a rookie.
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They signed OT Dillard, and he seemed like a waste of space.
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4. Jonah Monheim is one guys I've had my eye on, as he's started at LT, C and RT.
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5. Tom praise/options.. I would assume means they know they're going to re-sign Tom, but aren't as sure if they're going to re-sign Walker.
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6.
Ask Jaire to take a pay cut since I think he's played less than 55% of the games over the last 4 years.
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7.
CB FA's from Raiders Jets
et al and Douglas
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8.
Adams trolling...Higgins Cinn.
I have no idea about WR, but I found WR Adams comments interesting, of course, Adams admits he likes to troll, so always got to take what he says with a grain of salt, but Adams talked about hearing the Packers want to add a veteran WR.

1.
You could always post it in both, as it does fit into both categories.
I feel silly doing that as I would look even more old and senile than I already appear...I can just imagine "doesn't that old bitty know she already posted!!!"

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Also my biggest issue with Myers is that we picked him before the much more hyped C Creed Humphrey whom has been an All Pro since Day 1 as a rookie.
As the great song from Frozen goes, "Let it Go"

3
They signed OT Dillard, and he seemed like a waste of space.
He is, was, and shall be.

4. Jonah Monheim is one guys I've had my eye on, as he's started at LT, C and RT.
https://thedraftnetwork.com/2024/09/18/jonah-monheim-scouting-report-nfl-draft
Seems like our kind of guy, versatile with short arms and limited drive block effectiveness
The only think working against him is he likely has a high Wonderlic.

5. Tom praise/options.. I would assume means they know they're going to re-sign Tom, but aren't as sure if they're going to re-sign Walker.
Jenkins was the best OL, then Tom, then everyone else.
I happen to like Myers, you don't.
I think they are counting on Morgan, and I think he is an LT, with better feet than Walker, so Morgan may be right guard or right tackle with Tom at center despite the Gutey gush on him at tackle

6.
Ask Jaire to take a pay cut since I think he's played less than 55% of the games over the last 4 years. I don't think they would and I don't think he would take it.
Someone will take a chance and he will take an incentive laden contract with a big market team.

7.
CB FA's from Raiders Jets
et al and Douglas.
Didn't Douglas have a run-in with Love?
And isn't that why he is gone?
CB from Raiders or Jets (other than Sauce, works for me.
I would think Saleh has some insight for MLF and Gutey on the Jet corner

8.
Adams trolling...Higgins Cinn.
Yea, I don't see it happening, although I think he would be a good fit...to much $$$ likely IMO.
I think this would be an attractive place for him as he would be the clear #1.
To be frank, I'd rather spend the money on Adams than Higgins

Martha Careful;4684501.
You could always post it in both, as it does fit into both categories. I feel silly doing that as I would look even more old and senile than I already appear...I can just imagine "doesn't that old bitty know she already posted!!!"

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Also my biggest issue with Myers is that we picked him before the much more hyped C Creed Humphrey whom has been an All Pro since Day 1 as a rookie.
As the great song from Frozen goes, "Let it Go"

It fits both groups and I'm pretty sure others, including myself have done it.

And if you are an old bitty then how do you know about Frozen? I barely know about it lol, of course I don't have kids.

4. Jonah Monheim ...Seems like our kind of guy, versatile with short arms and limited drive block effectiveness
The only think working against him is he likely has a high Wonderlic.[/color]

If you're going to keep harping on this Wonderlic, then you need us to provide us with the secret scores of the Packers players.

Like what is the scores of our OL if you say saying all of them are low scores. Since you know the secret scores.

5. Jenkins was the best OL, then Tom, then everyone else.
I happen to like Myers, you don't.
I think they are counting on Morgan, and I think he is an LT, with better feet than Walker, so Morgan may be right guard or right tackle with Tom at center despite the Gutey gush on him at tackle

Tom was clearly the best OL and it wasn't close. The rest of the OL run blocking could use some work.

6.
Ask Jaire to take a pay cut since I think he's played less than 55% of the games over the last 4 years. I don't think they would and I don't think he would take it.
Someone will take a chance and he will take an incentive laden contract with a big market team.

Did you think they would ask David Bakhtiari or Aaron Jones?

Alexander would be making more than them and he's been playing less than 55% of the games over the last four years. And like Bakhtiari's, Alexander knee might not being healing any time soon.

I don't think Gute is going to bring Alexander back at his current price of $17.5 million.

I don't see Alexander taking the pay cut either. But it'll be interesting when the Packers try to push the issue, such as before Free Agency? Before the Draft? Before Training Camp? Or wait until training camp and see how he is.

7.
CB FA's from Raiders Jets
et al and Douglas.
Didn't Douglas have a run-in with Love?
And isn't that why he is gone?

😳 no, I have never heard Love nor Douglass have a negative reaction with anyone, much less each other.

And sounded like Love and Douglas were hanging out and thought the Packers were not far from turning the corner.

Gute traded Douglas as we were rebuilding mode at the time, and we had not yet turned it around.

Plus Gute seems to try to move vets out of the way, when he thinks someone younger can step up, so I think Gute moved Douglas to Stokes could step up, but that obviously hasn't happened the way he hoped.

But that was the same reason he ran Nelson off, so Adams could step up.

CB from Raiders or Jets (other than Sauce, works for me.
I would think Saleh has some insight for MLF and Gutey on the Jet corner

I think the potential issue with the Jets CB is that he's 5'9" and Gute doesn't seem to like small, even if he has played well.

beast;468456And if you are an old bitty then how do you know about Frozen? I barely know about it lol, of course I don't have kids.

grandkids... lots of Elsa and Anna shirts

If you're going to keep harping on this Wonderlic, then you need us to provide us with the secret scores of the Packers players.

harping is not a nice word. I would prefer if you would have used the words 'refer to ' Nevertheless, if you consistently listen to Bob McGinn, he sites their Wonderlic scores

Like what is the scores of our OL if you say saying all of them are low scores. Since you know the secret scores.

I was being facetious. I believe our offensive line and quarterback scores are pretty strong and the wonderlic,
not so much on the defensive side of the ball

Alexander knee might not being healing any time soon.

I don't think Gute is going to bring Alexander back at his current price of $17.5 million.

I totally agree. I tried to make that point, apparently unsuccessfully.

😳 no, I have never heard Love nor Douglass have a negative reaction with anyone, much less each other.

And sounded like Love and Douglas were hanging out and thought the Packers were not far from turning the corner.

I will try to find an article

I think the potential issue with the Jets CB is that he's 5'9" and Gute doesn't seem to like small, even if he has played well.

Beggars can't be choosers.

Martha Careful;468457harping is not a nice word. I would prefer if you would have used the words 'refer to '

My apologies, in some sense, I struggle with language, and knowing/realizing how words come off. Sounds as if that word was too harsh and I apologize for that and appreciate you helping me realizing it (though note, I'll probably forget).

Martha Careful;468457Nevertheless, if you consistently listen to Bob McGinn, he sites their Wonderlic scores

Listen? Does he have a radio show or something? How does one listen to McGinn?

Though I prefer to read articles over podcasts.

Martha Careful;468457I was being facetious. I believe our offensive line and quarterback scores are pretty strong and the wonderlic,
not so much on the defensive side of the ball

Well how are we supposed to know that, when only you and McGinn know the scores?

I don't think there is a website I can go look them up.

Martha Careful;468457I will try to find an article

Yes please find the article, as I can't find anything where Douglas has said anything wrong.

Alexander occasionally puts his foot in his mouth, and once said something about we can't allow a TD right now with how the offense is playing.

Martha Careful;468457 Beggars can't be choosers.

They can when they're giving out million dollar contracts