PackFanWithTwins;336692OK Personally, I don't think it would make a difference when you have an Oline that can't block long enough for the 10+ yard routes being called to develop.

I disagree to an extent. A lot of the success/failure of the scenario would depend on playcalling. If you are calling for long passes all day - then I fully agree, our current OL would not be consistent enough to be successful. If you borrow the Chiefs playbook and throw it short and let the receiver make a play, then that speed can be a difference maker.

gbguy20;336717Thanks for making this thread, I was going to get around to it.


I wasn't really thinking about draft picks, but it definitely a good route to take this thread.
Without looking at anything other than your post:
Solution: take brown in the 5th, trade up in the 3rd to get wheaton, and absolutely take bryant over rodgers.
Rodgers would probably have been there in the 4th anyways.


But seriously, watching the last 2 steelers games this is my determination:

Brown is better than Jordy.
Wheaton and Bryant are both much much better than Cobb, and everyone else we have on our roster.
Their top 3 is absolutely awesome and I am honestly embarrassed having ever argued that the packers had a top 3 WR corps.

These 3 make our current crew of guys look like they don't even belong in the league.
They are head and shoulders above.

Hell, EVEN THEIR FULLBACK makes our WR's look like trash.

Antonio Brown over Starks because he is a truly special player. Rodgers to Brown would be amazeballs. I've always loved Starks and will continue to do so, but come on, Antonio Brown is MUCH better.

Eddie Lacy over Wheaton because of stats. [h]Lacy[/h] has for a career: 657 rushing attempts for 2,834 yards and 22 TD's and 93 receptions for 813 yards and 5 TD's. ([h]3647 yards 27 TD's[/h]) [h]Wheaton[/h] has for a career: 87 receptions for 1,232 yards and 5 TD's and 4 rushing attempts for 19 yards. ([h]1251 yards 5TD's[/h]) Hell, Davante Adams has 74 catches for 789 yards and 4 TD's on his career and has played 15 less games than Wheaton.

Bryant over Richard Rodgers. Easy call because I also believe Rodgers would have been available in the 4th round and was also very interested in Bryant predraft. He is supremely talented. The only caveat with Bryant is that he is supremely immature. Not even 2 years in the league and he is one failed piss test away from becoming Josh Gordon.

gbguy20;336717Thanks for making this thread, I was going to get around to it.


I wasn't really thinking about draft picks, but it definitely a good route to take this thread.
Without looking at anything other than your post:
Solution: take brown in the 5th, trade up in the 3rd to get wheaton, and absolutely take bryant over rodgers.
Rodgers would probably have been there in the 4th anyways.


But seriously, watching the last 2 steelers games this is my determination:

Brown is better than Jordy.
Wheaton and Bryant are both much much better than Cobb, and everyone else we have on our roster.
Their top 3 is absolutely awesome and I am honestly embarrassed having ever argued that the packers had a top 3 WR corps.

These 3 make our current crew of guys look like they don't even belong in the league.
They are head and shoulders above.

Hell, EVEN THEIR FULLBACK makes our WR's look like trash.

There wouldn't be just a touch of sarcasm in your post, would there?

gbguy20;336717Thanks for making this thread, I was going to get around to it.


I wasn't really thinking about draft picks, but it definitely a good route to take this thread.
Without looking at anything other than your post:
Solution: take brown in the 5th, trade up in the 3rd to get wheaton, and absolutely take bryant over rodgers.
Rodgers would probably have been there in the 4th anyways.


But seriously, watching the last 2 steelers games this is my determination:

Brown is better than Jordy.
Wheaton and Bryant are both much much better than Cobb, and everyone else we have on our roster.
Their top 3 is absolutely awesome and I am honestly embarrassed having ever argued that the packers had a top 3 WR corps.

These 3 make our current crew of guys look like they don't even belong in the league.
They are head and shoulders above.

Hell, EVEN THEIR FULLBACK makes our WR's look like trash.

Whose receiving core doesn't the Steelers group show up? They have one of the most talented offenses in the NFL when healthy, by far. Bell is an incredible player, as well.

hardrocker950;336724I disagree to an extent. A lot of the success/failure of the scenario would depend on playcalling. If you are calling for long passes all day - then I fully agree, our current OL would not be consistent enough to be successful. If you borrow the Chiefs playbook and throw it short and let the receiver make a play, then that speed can be a difference maker.

That is a brunt of the problem.
We are not running the short routes.
And when they are they are pretty predictable.
WR Bubble screen, TE into the flat or some short sideline route.
Most of our routes are 10+ yards and do an out or hook and look at Rodgers and if he breaks the pocket, move to find an opening.
We don't run many short quick plays and we barely run anything between the hash marks less than 10 yards.

PackFanWithTwins;336741That is a brunt of the problem.
We are not running the short routes.
And when they are they are pretty predictable.
WR Bubble screen, TE into the flat or some short sideline route.
Most of our routes are 10+ yards and do an out or hook and look at Rodgers and if he breaks the pocket, move to find an opening.
We don't run many short quick plays and we barely run anything between the hash marks less than 10 yards.

Ironically, not long ago, a lot of people were saying we were throwing too many short passes. We do often hit the TE in the flat - that's bread and butter; I hate bubble screens - among the riskiest plays in the book; Regular screens, on the other hand, were neglected for a long time, but the coaches musta read the forums because we've been doing that with some success. Short passes between the hash marks can be tough and risky too when the other team doesn't need to blitz and the pass rush is still instantly in the QB's face. Any of that gets tough if the D doesn't much worry about long passes and can crowd up for the short ones.

texaspackerbacker;336742Ironically, not long ago, a lot of people were saying we were throwing too many short passes. We do often hit the TE in the flat - that's bread and butter; I hate bubble screens - among the riskiest plays in the book; Regular screens, on the other hand, were neglected for a long time, but the coaches musta read the forums because we've been doing that with some success. Short passes between the hash marks can be tough and risky too when the other team doesn't need to blitz and the pass rush is still instantly in the QB's face. Any of that gets tough if the D doesn't much worry about long passes and can crowd up for the short ones.

I think throwing short passes is good, we have won SB doing it.
Look at how our defense gets beat most of the time.
WR or TE getting dragged under or over the top of our LBers.
And we don't try to put pressure on that area against our opponents.
And because of that I see our opponents LBers dropping into that 10+ yard area filling where we are trying to throw with bodies.


If we run a crossing route at 3-4 yards DB are always trailing and if the LBers don't stay short, there is an easy completion for a 4-5 or more yard completion.
If the Lber stays short, it opens the zone behind them, which in turn pressures the deep coverage.
That would also pull the DB out of the flat so if we threw to the TE sprinting out, there is one less defender to tackle him.


So much of our receiving game is simply our guy needs to be his defender.
We don't scheme guys open like is done against our defense so much.

DoddPower;336730Whose receiving core doesn't the Steelers group show up? They have one of the most talented offenses in the NFL when healthy, by far. Bell is an incredible player, as well.

Not only that but what if you do the reverse?
Take away Antonio Brown then compare them to our top 3 with Jordy Nelson in the lineup.
Jordy/Cobb/Adams vs Bryant/Wheaton/Hayward-Bey...

I wonder how much of it is Ben throwing the ball to his WR and giving them an opportunity over the perceived "supreme" talent.

Zero2Cool;336754I wonder how much of it is Ben throwing the ball to his WR and giving them an opportunity over the perceived "supreme" talent.

I'll take the "supreme" talent any day of the week.