PackFanWithTwins;336748I think throwing short passes is good, we have won SB doing it.
Look at how our defense gets beat most of the time.
WR or TE getting dragged under or over the top of our LBers.
And we don't try to put pressure on that area against our opponents.
And because of that I see our opponents LBers dropping into that 10+ yard area filling where we are trying to throw with bodies.


If we run a crossing route at 3-4 yards DB are always trailing and if the LBers don't stay short, there is an easy completion for a 4-5 or more yard completion.
If the Lber stays short, it opens the zone behind them, which in turn pressures the deep coverage.
That would also pull the DB out of the flat so if we threw to the TE sprinting out, there is one less defender to tackle him.


So much of our receiving game is simply our guy needs to be his defender.
We don't scheme guys open like is done against our defense so much.

I was thinking along those lines too - do what San Diego did to us, among others to a lesser extent. The thing is, though, the Packers blitz - a LOT. The routes you speak of are open - it works. Our opponents can almost always beat our O Line with just their D Line so the LBs almost always will be there. If the LB stays short as you say, theoretically you throw to the zone behind him/them, but that's risky, especially when our deep threat is so ....... nonexistent, and the safeties can crowd up. Plus they are in on Rodgers so fast that often there is no passing lane.

Are you old enough to remember the early days of the Vikings - Tarkenton scrambling was the best thing they had going - shoddy O Line and mediocre receivers (sound familiar?). Rodgers escaping the pocket and finding somebody open is the best thing we have going. It just hasn't worked as well because they are hemming him in - plus, without Nelson or somebody else on the field with speed, there are a lot fewer open targets.

Zero2Cool;336754I wonder how much of it is Ben throwing the ball to his WR and giving them an opportunity over the perceived "supreme" talent.

Much of it is that our HC and OC know that they are not smart enough to compete in a chess match, so they don't scheme guys open. They rely on "match ups."

texaspackerbacker;336757I was thinking along those lines too - do what San Diego did to us, among others to a lesser extent. The thing is, though, the Packers blitz - a LOT. The routes you speak of are open - it works. Our opponents can almost always beat our O Line with just their D Line so the LBs almost always will be there. If the LB stays short as you say, theoretically you throw to the zone behind him/them, but that's risky, especially when our deep threat is so ....... nonexistent, and the safeties can crowd up. Plus they are in on Rodgers so fast that often there is no passing lane.

Are you old enough to remember the early days of the Vikings - Tarkenton scrambling was the best thing they had going - shoddy O Line and mediocre receivers (sound familiar?). Rodgers escaping the pocket and finding somebody open is the best thing we have going. It just hasn't worked as well because they are hemming him in - plus, without Nelson or somebody else on the field with speed, there are a lot fewer open targets.

Agreed but much of the reason our deep routs aren't opening up, is because defenses can cheat deep.
LBers deeper let Safeties play deeper and help CB more.
If we never run shallow IN routes CBs don't have to worry about the middle of the field so they just protect the sideline and shallow because of deep help.


Much like running the ball, or screens.
They make defenses cover for them.
Can't count how many times I watch the receivers run their 10 yard patterns only to see defenses with 7 defenders between 10-20 yards.
Whether we throw to them, we need to run guys through those zones to keep the defenses honest.