beast;415581
But getting those two FS that late, which made me fall in love with that draft... of course that's because I think it's unrealistic.

Why is Thompson dropping.
A few months ago many considered him the #1 safety in the draft.
Did he have a poor showing at the combine?

One thing about your draft is I agree with KRK that you waited too long to address the OL.
I understand that when you have guys you like its hard to pass up, and I don't know which OL you may have passed on so that may have something too do with it.

sschind;415613Why is Thompson dropping.
A few months ago many considered him the #1 safety in the draft.
Did he have a poor showing at the combine?

One thing about your draft is I agree with KRK that you waited too long to address the OL.
I understand that when you have guys you like its hard to pass up, and I don't know which OL you may have passed on so that may have something too do with it.

I didn't draft to fill holes this season. I add free agents for this season. I draft the best available players to fill my roster in the future.

What if the best player available is a tight end?

KRK;415615What if the best player available is a tight end?

Then we have the worst draft class in decades.
I have only seen one ranking where a TE broke the top 15 in best players to be drafted.

KRK;415602[confused] Actually, it makes the point that as a unit, you have to look at each link to determine the units effectiveness...ergo, looking at each individual position is necessary.

You just said it again, you are looking at them as a unit, and determining them as a unit, so you are doing the opposite of what you said.

KRK;415602Good idea.
I think I will only view posters who aren't just taking the best player available.
I hope we get the very best player on the OL who fills what I perceive to be a need there.

Exactly, all this bullshit isn't about OL at all, it's all about you... you are demanding OL to be drafted high and often [horseow] .... we get it!


How about you opinions on draft and ANY other position?

sschind;415613Why is Thompson dropping.
A few months ago many considered him the #1 safety in the draft.
Did he have a poor showing at the combine?

One thing about your draft is I agree with KRK that you waited too long to address the OL.
I understand that when you have guys you like its hard to pass up, and I don't know which OL you may have passed on so that may have something too do with it.

It's not that he's dropping per say just different people have different opinions, and grade differently based on those opinion... and you ha e to project a player into certain roles.

As a deep zone FS scheme, Thompson could still potentially be the best Safety in this class.... but this website's three opinion writers didn't like his Discipline, tackling or one on one man coverage skills and they make some fair points... Nick Collins he is not. But it all depends on scheme and roles you are projecting them into.


I can't help that the other teams were over drafting OL, letting other talent to drop...

Just because someone else does something stupid, doesn't mean I'm gonna follow their bad example and over draft just to grab a position...

Maybe if there was actually proof they would pan out but the reality is most picks bust, and 4th round linemen have seemed to pan out about as well as linemen selected above...

Everyone has bitched about Colledge and Bulaga for years, not to mention Sherrod, while Bak, Sitting, Lang and Linsley have been heros...

KRK;415608Wait, so you draft for need?

Like you say in a later post, it's a lot more nuanced than just drafting for need and just drafting the best player available.

Positional value is a big decider. How your roster is build. How many players you see as aproxomately equally skilled. It's like Z2C said, if you reach for need, you're going to be at the bottom of the league real fast. Doesn't mean we're drafting seven running backs in one draft because they all fit the BPA at that point.

It's just that there's no way you can say that you're drafting 3 o-linemen beforehand. You don't know who's available. That doesn't mean people around here don't see the need. It's just that there's other needs and players that are likely to line up better at our current draft positions. I won't go any further into that, because both sides have given enough arguments.

Add to that that you're usually drafting for the future. We can draft 6 o-linemen on day one and two, but odds are pretty slim that they're all NFL-caliber players from day one, so you won't be plugging those holes you're seeing instantly.

Odds are pretty big, though, that you're creating big problems at other positions. We have two old tight ends and one that will never become a starter, most likely. We need to infuse some talent and youth in that position. ILB is looking pretty barren. Just shoving those needs aside and drafting for inmediate need makes it nearly certain that you'll have to dip into FA and give up top dollar to sign someone there. Something you'd rather not do.

Zero2Cool;415620Then we have the worst draft class in decades.
I have only seen one ranking where a TE broke the top 15 in best players to be drafted.

I agree with all your points, apart from this one. I think you actually might be ahead of the curve. Positional value for tight ends has been, in my opinion, undervalued for years. Just take a look at what difference a guy like Graham, Gronkowski or Gonzalez makes.

That said, there's no one I would pick at 12 this year, but I wouldn't mind picking a TE that high. Guard or ILB, those are positions I generally wouldn't spend a high pick on.

Beast beckoned:

How about you opinions on draft and ANY other position?

OK.


RB - I love the two we have, but we really need a quality guy who can step in.
Not necessarily a workhorse, especially not a tailback, but someone, from a college system who has experience in blitz pick-up and can carry the ball effectively and reliably.
Jamaal Williams like...in fact a clone would be fine with me.

ILB - Not to beat a dead horse, as this has been discussed in the past but with Ryan departure, and the underwhelming first year performance of Burks we need someone.
I hope Morrison was a stop-gap until Burks is ready (which I hope is now) but regardless, we need a guy there, and not just plug-in in a safety all the time.

Rockmolder accurately assessed:

Positional value for tight ends has been, in my opinion, undervalued for years. Just take a look at what difference a guy like Graham, Gronkowski or Gonzalez makes.

I would not take one at 12 unless I thought he was an instant Pro-Bowl guy.
30 perhaps.
In an ideal world, we could trade down from 12 and pick one up in the second round.

And finally, and for the last time, in regard to the OL chain metaphor I am/had been asserting that IF one is:

looking at them as a unit, and determining them as a unit

one needs to look at the weakest link to determine the unit strength, NOT to average each of the the individual components' strength as the cited sources seem to do.
We need help in the O line and I would not mind addressing it as the top priority, whether we trade down for multiple picks or that a guy a 12.
With Turner in fold, if there is a stud G-C, I would take him.

KRK erroneously stated

I would not take one at 12 unless I thought he was an [h]instant Pro-Bowl guy[/h].

This is why we can't trust you, lol.
Pro Bowl? THE PRO BOWL?
No, sir, we care ONLY about All-Pro's!

I'll build my team of All Pro's and we'll baby spank your Pro Bowl roster up and down the boulevard!

I will consider myself corrected, reprimanded, open to be spanked, provided you are arranging for Jessica Alba to do the spanking.