KRK;416692The kid would seem to either have a bad shoulder or a bad heart. I hope I’m wrong.

You must really be concerned to say it 3 times. [biggrin]

yooperfan;416687Being a Michigan Wolverine fan that watches a lot of Michigan football I have to admit that I was somewhat shocked by this pick.
The kid has a high motor and
pretty good measureables
but rushing the passer is not a strength at this point in time.
He disappears for long periods of time to the point that you sometimes wonder if he's even on the field.
Perhaps he can be coached up and he will learn to put all his tools to good use.
My fear is that once he has the money in his pocket he will completely disappear.
Sadly I'm not loving this pick.
IMHO he's a project not worthy of the 12 pick.
Time will tell.

Look at Pettine's defense though. He doesn't necessarily want the huge sack numbers at OLB. He wants guys who will contain, pressure but he's never had those huge sack artist guys.

Not saying this dude can't do it either. Just saying.

Be confirmed if we take DK Metcalf next lol

It would really be confirmed if he signed Kevin Bacon.

There is much to like about this pick, a freakish athlete that has all the physical tools, at times flashes it.

There is the rub.. "at times".



I take issue with this especially... and this is from a Badger fan that loathes UM... and OSU for that matter.



Don Brown is one of the best defensive minds out there... yes, he gets blue chip talent, but he also does a very good job in developing talent as well.

I am cautious that Pettine will draw that talent out of Gary consistently when Brown was unable to. Certainly hope that the light flips on, if it does, I agree, we got a top 5 pick at 12.

BTW, I have little concern of his wonderlic score.. as a brother of a person with mild dyslexia, i know the struggles that come with it.

How amazing will it be to have an OLB that actually plays contain instead of trying to get a sack on every play!

wpr;416708How amazing will it be to have an OLB that actually plays contain instead of trying to get a sack on every play!

People like sacks.
If a guy plays defense and is not a DB he had better have a boatload of sacks other wise he is worthless.


He does seem to be a little full of himself but if that translates onto the field I'm fine with that.
If he crates havoc and someone else gets the stat I'm perfectly fine with that as well.

sschind;416712People like sacks.
If a guy plays defense and is not a DB he had better have a boatload of sacks other wise he is worthless.


He does seem to be a little full of himself but if that translates onto the field I'm fine with that.
If he crates havoc and someone else gets the stat I'm perfectly fine with that as well.

I know people like sacks. Sacks are a semi important stat. I also know what people don't like.
People don't like it when the runner, be it the RB, a WR or a scrambling QB, breaks it outside and the OLB is no where to be found because he has dipped into the middle of the field looking to try and sack the QB and the runner rambles for 15-30 yards downfield before one of the DBs come up to make the tackle.

There are certainly a bunch of times when it is acceptable for the OLB to look for the sack. On those occasions his duty is contain. It's someone else' job to stay home. I am not talking about those times. Only the times when he should have protected the outside and didn't. You can't always tell what the assignments are but there are times when no one else is around and you have a hunch who is supposed to watch.

Rashan Gary = Nick Perry 2.0

A player taken this high in the draft (#12) should be ready to step onto a football field and start. If Gary is to play LB as his selection announced, he will be lucky to be a 2nd string backup LB. As for being a pass rusher, GB's GM went to the FA market and hired Preston Smith. He and Kyler Fackrell will team up with Daniels and Clark and (Za'Darious) Smith should provide an aggressive pass rush. These veterans should have no real struggle forming into a solid unit. Dean Lowery and Tyler Lancaster will not readily allow Gary to move them out of their slots as the primary DL backups. So Gary is will have a long row to hoe if he expects to start at LB or DE.

Being a physical beast is just not enough. Professional players know all the nuances of playing their position. Gary might already have good football knowledge, but developing him into an effective LB or DE will be a project.

Had GB used this draft pick to take a much needed TE like Noah Fant, they could have traded or not traded the #30 pick and still picked a good DE/OLB. Hopefully Alabama's Irv Smith (TE) will still be available with GB's #44 overall pick.

Smokey sarcastically summarized:

Rashan Gary = Nick Perry 2.0

I don't want to ascribe motives to other posters, but I think Smokey meant it this as a negative.

Although, I think this may be an accurate assessment of both individuals' talent, the performance will hopefully not be the same at the conclusion of Gary's career.

Had Perry been able to stay healthy, he was a very good player.
He provided great pressure, provided some sacks AND SET A HELL OF AN EDGE, unlike CMIII.
The problem was staying healthy.

If Gary can stay healthy, and play like a healthy Nick Perry, I would take it.

This is how I picture Smokey holding forth as he analyzes the Packers' draft picks: