I like this pick and I get why we went for him.

I think the big thing will be adding onto his pass rushing skills. You get a guy who has the size of a 3-4 DE with the athleticism that rivals some DBs. He has decent strength, but nothing that blows you away. Yet, he fully depended on a bull rush move in college. Seems crazy to me, so if Pettine can make him a more polished rusher you get a ridiculous miss-match guy at OLB. Someone who's too fast for the big RTs, but just runs over TEs, RBs and finesse LTs.

Add to that that your OLB is usually a guy you want as far away from coverage situations. Here we have a pass rushing linebacker who can run with most RBs and TEs. That's almost unheared of.

That said, it's a lot of what-iffs and hoping the guys we picked get closer to their ceiling than to their floor. Something I like on one or two picks, but am a bit iffy about when you're picking athletes over football players every single pick in the draft.

Mucky Tundra;417695

One thing I keep seeing and reading about Gary is he was constantly being double teamed and schemed against. I also wonder if Jim Harbuaghs abrasive coaching style caused Gary to tune out at times.

I dunno, everything I've read about him from that coaching staff and harbaugh specifically sounds like they absolutely loved the guy.

Rockmolder;417763I like this pick and I get why we went for him.

I think the big thing will be adding onto his pass rushing skills. You get a guy who has the size of a 3-4 DE with the athleticism that rivals some DBs. He has decent strength, but nothing that blows you away. Yet, he fully depended on a bull rush move in college. Seems crazy to me, so if Pettine can make him a more polished rusher you get a ridiculous miss-match guy at OLB. Someone who's too fast for the big RTs, but just runs over TEs, RBs and finesse LTs.

Add to that that your OLB is usually a guy you want as far away from coverage situations. Here we have a pass rushing linebacker who can run with most RBs and TEs. That's almost unheared of.

That said, it's a lot of what-iffs and hoping the guys we picked get closer to their ceiling than to their floor. Something I like on one or two picks, but am a bit iffy about when you're picking athletes over football players every single pick in the draft.

I remember Packer regimes of the past going for the athlete over football player routine. I think it was the Bart Starr era. It didn't work out so well for them.

If Pettine can scheme Fackrell to the QB 10.5 times, imagine how many times he can get this guy home.

I like the words you are saying nerd.

Rockmolder;417763I like this pick and I get why we went for him.

I think the big thing will be adding onto his pass rushing skills. You get a guy who has the size of a 3-4 DE with the athleticism that rivals some DBs. He has decent strength, but nothing that blows you away. Yet, he fully depended on a bull rush move in college. Seems crazy to me, so if Pettine can make him a more polished rusher you get a ridiculous miss-match guy at OLB. Someone who's too fast for the big RTs, but just runs over TEs, RBs and finesse LTs.

Add to that that your OLB is usually a guy you want as far away from coverage situations. Here we have a pass rushing linebacker who can run with most RBs and TEs. That's almost unheared of.

That said, it's a lot of what-iffs and hoping the guys we picked get closer to their ceiling than to their floor. Something I like on one or two picks, but am a bit iffy about when you're picking athletes over football players every single pick in the draft.

Is this just in reference to Gary or the draft as a whole because most of the guys while they are almost all exceptional athletes I also don't really see an issue as far as being a "football player" is concerned.
Savage had good production and plays like an animal throwing his body around, the 2nd rounder Jenkins played pretty much every single spot on the OL, the TE Jace had huge production, then the later round guys are kind of mixed but that's when you aren't getting a player without some kind of issue.

nerdmann;417770If Pettine can scheme Fackrell to the QB 10.5 times, imagine how many times he can get this guy home.

If it's such an absolute that players have Pettine to thank for their sack total, I don't even see why you'd waste the 12th overall pick on a pass rusher.

Kyler just feasted on abysmal offensive lines for 80% of his sacks. Six of his 10,5 came against probably the worst offensive lines in the league. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not like Pettine magically gets him onto the QB. Add to that that he's just made huge step from year two to year three.

Looks to me like his sacks in, for instance, this Seahawks game came from beating the OT in pretty normal plays. Nothing about getting schemed to the QB.

https://www.packers.com/video/lb-kyler-fackrell-game-highlights-week-11

steveishere;417774Is this just in reference to Gary or the draft as a whole because most of the guys while they are almost all exceptional athletes I also don't really see an issue as far as being a "football player" is concerned.
Savage had good production and plays like an animal throwing his body around, the 2nd rounder Jenkins played pretty much every single spot on the OL, the TE Jace had huge production, then the later round guys are kind of mixed but that's when you aren't getting a player without some kind of issue.

This is in reference to all of our picks, but our 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Don't get me wrong, Savage did nice things in college, but not as good as a lot of other safeties that were on the board at that point. The thing he has over them is his speed, versatility and ability to reach a higher ceiling.

One big knock on him, for instance, is that he often made pretty bad decisions when playing single high safety. Step the wrong way, turn around, wide receiver is gone deep. He misses tackles and bites on play-actions, pump fakes etc.

That said, I like the pick. He's ridiculously quick, he's the perfect addition to Amos' certain style of play, but the reason he goes late in the 1st instead of late in the 2nd is his athleticism, not his gametape or instincts.

On Sternberger... Love the pick, but you pick him on one year sample size. That doesn't have to be a bad thing, especially since he did get a lot of catches and yards in that one single year, but that does add some risk. Maybe athletics over production isn't the correct statement in his case, so I'll give you that one.

Later rounds picks I agree on, as well. You don't get polished prospects in round 6 and 7. You have to accept some flaws. A guy like Ty Summers, though, is barely a football player. Amazing athlete, runs great for someone with linebacker-size, but didn't do anything all that well on even a college-level. Maybe as a special teamer, he'll contribute, but this pick is ALL about the athlete.

That still makes it 5 out of 7 picks. With two of those being first rounders. It's a gamble that can work out great or leave you in in the same state as the 2000s Raiders. I'd like to see us pick more balanced, but maybe it's just the way the pieces fell this year for Gute.

Rockmolder;417776If it's such an absolute that players have Pettine to thank for their sack total, I don't even see why you'd waste the 12th overall pick on a pass rusher.

Kyler just feasted on abysmal offensive lines for 80% of his sacks. Six of his 10,5 came against probably the worst offensive lines in the league. There's nothing wrong with that, but it's not like Pettine magically gets him onto the QB. Add to that that he's just made huge step from year two to year three.

Looks to me like his sacks in, for instance, this Seahawks game came from beating the OT in pretty normal plays. Nothing about getting schemed to the QB.

https://www.packers.com/video/lb-kyler-fackrell-game-highlights-week-11

Ok then how would Gary do in those same situations? Dude can close, 4.58.

nerdmann;417780Ok then how would Gary do in those same situations? Dude can close, 4.58.

Well, for the 12th overall pick, I certainly hope he could beat up on one of the worst starting LTs in the league.

That said, that wasn't what this was about, but I admire your red herring skills.