beast;425073Nope I didn't misunderstanding the cap, I just understand the fact that looking at a single year of the cap is set up to lie and your spreading the lie as truth.

Nelson being released saved 10.2 million

The second Graham signed (and didn't retire) cost the Packers $11 million in guarantees spread over the first 5 years or the life of the contract, which ever is shorter.

You're falsely arguing that since it's spread out over the 3 years it's not as much, but that's a lie as the fact is it's still $11 million dollars that you can't get back (unless he retires). Which is why there would be a $12.5+ million dead cap hit if we release him which you have totally failed to calculating to your numbers, as that money is already in Graham's pocket and has to hit the salary cap too)

If you only look at a single year then you fail to correct account for entire signing bonus... and the cap is nothing more than a delayed accounting system, the delayed part is way you need to look at more than one year.


Graham's first year of the contract cost the Packers more Nelson's final year... unless you put the single year blinders on... but money and available money can be moved from one year to another year, so there is no need for those blinders unless a team is over the single year limit (which isn't allowed) so the total money amount should be the focus than any single year (unless someone is over the limit).

Zach KruseCutting Nelson and his bloated cap number next season saved the Packers $10.25 million. They turned around and used all that savings to sign Jimmy Graham ($5.67 million cap hit in 2018) and Muhammad Wilkerson ($4.7 million), two moves that will cost about $10.4 million total on the 2018 cap.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/19/packers-turned-jordy-nelson-into-an-early-splash-in-free-agency/

Rob DemovskyGraham's three-year, $30 million contract ate up $5.66 million of the 2018 cap, while Wilkerson's one-year, $4.7 million deal will count $4,587,500 on the cap.

Those two figures add up to almost exactly what receiver Jordy Nelson would have counted on the cap had the Packers not released him last week on the eve of free agency. They cleared off his base salary and bonuses, which totaled $10.25 million

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/272072/salary-cap-swap-jimmy-graham-plus-mo-wilkerson-equals-jordy-nelson

Jason HirschhornPackers turn Nelson’s contract into cap hits for Graham and Wilkerson

Graham and Wilkerson’s 2018 cap hits come in at approximately $5.7 million and $4.9 million respectively, less than the $12.5 million Nelson would have counted against the salary cap had the Packers not released him last week.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/3/21/17146198/cheese-curds-packers-turn-jordy-nelsons-contract-into-cap-hit-for-jimmy-graham-muhammad-wilkerson

gbguy20;425076Enough lies already.

Zero2Cool;425077

earthquake;425086The official cap number determines what the team can do in that cap year, with regard to signing or extending other players in a given year.

earthquake;425086The number paid to the player in a specific year is often different than the cap figure. While interesting in an academic sense, it is irrelevant to the conversation at hand.

earthquake;425086The only situation this would matter is if for some reason the Packers couldn't afford to pay the money and had to file for bankruptcy or something. Or if you're very interested in how a player is filing their taxes or something like that.

beast;425084Nelson's contact cost was only 10.2 million that year, Graham's first year contract cost was $13.2 (unless you use the system that breaks it up over a number of years and ignore the other years).

Nelson's contact saving didn't actually cover Graham's first year of his contract... much less a second person.

Zach KruseCutting Nelson and his bloated cap number next season saved the Packers $10.25 million. They turned around and used all that savings to sign Jimmy Graham ($5.67 million cap hit in 2018) and Muhammad Wilkerson ($4.7 million), two moves that will cost about $10.4 million total on the 2018 cap.

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2018/03/19/packers-turned-jordy-nelson-into-an-early-splash-in-free-agency/

Rob DemovskyGraham's three-year, $30 million contract ate up $5.66 million of the 2018 cap, while Wilkerson's one-year, $4.7 million deal will count $4,587,500 on the cap.

Those two figures add up to almost exactly what receiver Jordy Nelson would have counted on the cap had the Packers not released him last week on the eve of free agency. They cleared off his base salary and bonuses, which totaled $10.25 million

https://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/272072/salary-cap-swap-jimmy-graham-plus-mo-wilkerson-equals-jordy-nelson

Jason HirschhornPackers turn Nelson’s contract into cap hits for Graham and Wilkerson

Graham and Wilkerson’s 2018 cap hits come in at approximately $5.7 million and $4.9 million respectively, less than the $12.5 million Nelson would have counted against the salary cap had the Packers not released him last week.

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/3/21/17146198/cheese-curds-packers-turn-jordy-nelsons-contract-into-cap-hit-for-jimmy-graham-muhammad-wilkerson

buckeyepackfan;425090Let's simplify this argument.

Jimmy Graham = MISTAKE!
The longer Gutey holds on to him the larger the
MISTAKE becomes.